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Hi Guys I notice that the Qt Commercial licencing editions table now has a slot for "Graphics View Module". Apparently it has been factored out of QtGui for the purposes of licencing: http://trolltech.com/products/qt/learnmore/licensing-pricing/editions Does anyone remember when this happened? I'm having trouble tracking down older versions of this page in cache.. I notice that the docs for 4.4 still don't reference Graphics View as a separate module: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/commercialeditions.html Thanks Ross. -- [ signature omitted ]
On Wednesday 07 May 2008 15:19:44 Ross Bencina wrote: > Hi Guys > > I notice that the Qt Commercial licencing editions table now has a slot for > "Graphics View Module". Apparently it has been factored out of QtGui for > the purposes of licencing: > http://trolltech.com/products/qt/learnmore/licensing-pricing/editions > > Does anyone remember when this happened? I'm having trouble tracking down > older versions of this page in cache.. Qt 4.2.0. That is, when Graphics View was first released. -- [ signature omitted ]
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Thiago Macieira wrote: >>Apparently it has been factored out of QtGui for >> the purposes of licencing: >> http://trolltech.com/products/qt/learnmore/licensing-pricing/editions >> >> Does anyone remember when this happened? I'm having trouble tracking down >> older versions of this page in cache.. > >Qt 4.2.0. > >That is, when Graphics View was first released. I find that very hard to believe. It's kinda funny that even today this is not reflected in the documentation dontcha think? Here is the editions table, showing that QtGui is part of DLE: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/commercialeditions.html And here is the list of classes in the QtGui module (showing that QGraphicsView is part of QtGui): http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtgui.html Not to mention that Trolltech never mentioned anything about a "Graphics View Module" as a separate licencing component at 4.2 release time, see for example pages 38 and 39 of this Trolltech powerpoint presentation: http://www.lsi.upc.es/~lpv/plmaster.dir/Introducing_Qt_1006.pdf When I started using QGraphicsView (in 2006) I was told that it was part of my DLE licence.. now I'm being told that it isn't. Is anyone else in the same boat? Best wishes Ross. -- [ signature omitted ]
On Wednesday 07 May 2008 16:44:59 Ross Bencina wrote:
> >Qt 4.2.0.
> >
> >That is, when Graphics View was first released.
>
> I find that very hard to believe.
That's what the qglobal.h that was shipped with Qt 4.2.0 says.
ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.2.0.tar.gz, file
src/corelib/global/qglobal.h, lines 1835 to 1849:
#define QT_EDITION_DESKTOPLIGHT (QT_MODULE_CORE \
| QT_MODULE_GUI \
| QT_MODULE_QT3SUPPORTLIGHT)
#define QT_EDITION_OPENSOURCE (QT_MODULE_CORE \
| QT_MODULE_GUI \
| QT_MODULE_NETWORK \
| QT_MODULE_OPENGL \
| QT_MODULE_SQL \
| QT_MODULE_XML \
| QT_MODULE_QT3SUPPORTLIGHT \
| QT_MODULE_QT3SUPPORT \
| QT_MODULE_SVG \
| QT_MODULE_GRAPHICSVIEW)
#define QT_EDITION_DESKTOP (QT_EDITION_OPENSOURCE \
| QT_MODULE_ACTIVEQT)
> It's kinda funny that even today this is not reflected in the documentation
> dontcha think?
Actually, you're only complaining because we did update the documentation.
> Here is the editions table, showing that QtGui is part of DLE:
> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/commercialeditions.html
>
> And here is the list of classes in the QtGui module (showing that
> QGraphicsView is part of QtGui):
> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtgui.html
Right. QGraphicsView is part of QtGui. But Desktop Light licensees get access
to QtGui minus QGraphicsView (i.e., QtGui "light", like the
Qt3Support "light').
> Not to mention that Trolltech never mentioned anything about a "Graphics
> View Module" as a separate licencing component at 4.2 release time, see for
> example pages 38 and 39 of this Trolltech powerpoint presentation:
> http://www.lsi.upc.es/~lpv/plmaster.dir/Introducing_Qt_1006.pdf
I can't explain.
> When I started using QGraphicsView (in 2006) I was told that it was part of
> my DLE licence.. now I'm being told that it isn't. Is anyone else in the
> same boat?
Again, I can't explain. I'm just telling you what the source code has always
said from the very first release of QGraphicsView. We are not changing any
policy here.
I suggest you contact your sales rep and ask for clarification. As far as I
can tell from reading the source code, we are not changing policies. It stays
now with 4.4 the same way as it was with 4.2.
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Thanks Thiago, that's very helpful. Thiago Macieira wrote: >>> That is, when Graphics View was first released. >> >> I find that very hard to believe. > > That's what the qglobal.h that was shipped with Qt 4.2.0 says. In future I will keep in mind that I need to consult a header file to understand the Qt Commercial licence levels. You'd better tell your sales reps to do the same. >Actually, you're only complaining because we did update the documentation. Actually I'm complaining because I feel I was mislead into using a feature I thought I had access to and am now being locked into a higher licencing level. Aka "bait-and-switch". Even now this is the implication of your documentation -- I think this is a reasonable thing to complain about! > I suggest you contact your sales rep and ask for clarification. Thanks, I have. But it doesn't stop me asking around here whether anyone else noticed the change (or lack thereof)... Best wishes Ross. -- [ signature omitted ]
On Wednesday 07 May 2008 18:21:46 Ross Bencina wrote: > > That's what the qglobal.h that was shipped with Qt 4.2.0 says. > > In future I will keep in mind that I need to consult a header file to > understand the Qt Commercial licence levels. You'd better tell your sales > reps to do the same. You're talking to a developer. I go by the .h files :-) The sales rep will probably go by the agreement he had when he sold you the licenses. -- [ signature omitted ]
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> >Actually, you're only complaining because we did update the > documentation. > > Actually I'm complaining because I feel I was mislead into using a > feature I > thought I had access to and am now being locked into a higher licencing > level. Aka "bait-and-switch". Even now this is the implication of your > documentation -- I think this is a reasonable thing to complain about! > > > > I suggest you contact your sales rep and ask for clarification. > > Thanks, I have. But it doesn't stop me asking around here whether > anyone > else noticed the change (or lack thereof)... > > Best wishes > > Ross. Having been a QT 3.X commercial customer, and was VERY disappointed when QCanvas was not supported in QT 4.0, I followed the status of QGraphicsView very closely.. In fact, I basically couldn't upgrade till 4.2 because the 4.1 "port" of QCanvas was less than stellar.. That said, it was clear to me, that I needed the highest level QT license to get access to it from the website.. It made it clear to me, that QGraphicsVIew was NOT part of the base QT gui system Scott -- [ signature omitted ]