Qtopia-interest Archive, September 2006
what you (and we...) need
Message 1 in thread
Dear Trolltech,
we will never see on the European market a Linux based smartphone
because of some basic functionalities lack, functionalities that at
the moment are available only for Symbian.
I'm speaking about Route66 and TomTom, and some game...
Do you want to become a valid alternative to Symbian?
If the answer is "Yes" then let's do all you can do to have Route66
and TomTom for the greenphone available NOW, or your tecnology preview
will become an "demostration of an unusably tecnology".
sincerely,
Andrea Bravetti
GPRS Easy Connect Team
http://www.gprsec.hu
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Message 2 in thread
Dear andrea,
As a linux (free software) developper and a consumer of phone devices and services, I'm not sure than a phone need absolutetly to embend some software like Route66 or TomTom or some games to make it "a phone product".
The greenphone is a partial sdk component for make implementation of development of software in a free software environment.
If U want to see U're favorite applications in U're smartphone build the phone from the people who's deal the best distribution software that meet U're needs. Or make a fork of TomTom and distribute it under gpl .. Here U'll be happy to have greenphone for testing U're software ... Or do anything U want once U've understand than Greenphone is not a commercial smartphone and Qtopia is just a development language ......
Regards.
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:44:53 +0200, "Andrea Bravetti" <andreabravetti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Trolltech,
> we will never see on the European market a Linux based smartphone
> because of some basic functionalities lack, functionalities that at
> the moment are available only for Symbian.
>
> I'm speaking about Route66 and TomTom, and some game...
>
> Do you want to become a valid alternative to Symbian?
>
> If the answer is "Yes" then let's do all you can do to have Route66
> and TomTom for the greenphone available NOW, or your tecnology preview
> will become an "demostration of an unusably tecnology".
>
> sincerely,
> Andrea Bravetti
> GPRS Easy Connect Team
> http://www.gprsec.hu
>
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Message 3 in thread
I'm happy to have a so fast reply, it mean I have touched the mind of someone!
What I tried to say is that Trolltech "must" create solid contacts
with the software house that sell this software and make the software
available for the architecture that they proposes (greenphone), not
under the GPL, but also commercially, and not embedded, but as third
party product.
Someone can say that TomTom for Linux already exists (TT910), just it
isn't released, and they will release it when you will sell 5 milion
of Qtopia phone. This is a BIG mistake! The true is that you will sell
5 milion (I hope more!) of Qtopia phone only when TT for linux will be
available.
bye,
Andrea
On 9/4/06, Franck huby <franck.huby@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear andrea,
>
> As a linux (free software) developper and a consumer of phone devices and services, I'm not sure than a phone need absolutetly to embend some software like Route66 or TomTom or some games to make it "a phone product".
>
> The greenphone is a partial sdk component for make implementation of development of software in a free software environment.
>
> If U want to see U're favorite applications in U're smartphone build the phone from the people who's deal the best distribution software that meet U're needs. Or make a fork of TomTom and distribute it under gpl .. Here U'll be happy to have greenphone for testing U're software ... Or do anything U want once U've understand than Greenphone is not a commercial smartphone and Qtopia is just a development language ......
>
> Regards.
>
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:44:53 +0200, "Andrea Bravetti" <andreabravetti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Trolltech,
> > we will never see on the European market a Linux based smartphone
> > because of some basic functionalities lack, functionalities that at
> > the moment are available only for Symbian.
> >
> > I'm speaking about Route66 and TomTom, and some game...
> >
> > Do you want to become a valid alternative to Symbian?
> >
> > If the answer is "Yes" then let's do all you can do to have Route66
> > and TomTom for the greenphone available NOW, or your tecnology preview
> > will become an "demostration of an unusably tecnology".
> >
> > sincerely,
> > Andrea Bravetti
> > GPRS Easy Connect Team
> > http://www.gprsec.hu
> >
> > --
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> > qtopia-interest-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> --
> Huby Franck.
>
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Message 4 in thread
In that point U're right, Andrea.
Even I hope U've understand that greenphone is not an "end user" device.
My conclusion :
Integration of commercial applications in qtopia (?in greenphone?) is a
project.
Maybe U're entity (GPRS Easy Connect) could work on it .....
Personnaly my interrest about greenphone is only for integration of
free-software (those I'm programming first of course).
I'm happy to have this discuss with U and hope that we see a Qtopia for
smartphone distribution made by "GPRS Easy Connect" and integrating somme of
the application U like to see in a commercial smartphone soon.
On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:34:23 +0200, "Andrea Bravetti" <andreabravetti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm happy to have a so fast reply, it mean I have touched the mind of
> someone!
>
> What I tried to say is that Trolltech "must" create solid contacts
> with the software house that sell this software and make the software
> available for the architecture that they proposes (greenphone), not
> under the GPL, but also commercially, and not embedded, but as third
> party product.
>
> Someone can say that TomTom for Linux already exists (TT910), just it
> isn't released, and they will release it when you will sell 5 milion
> of Qtopia phone. This is a BIG mistake! The true is that you will sell
> 5 milion (I hope more!) of Qtopia phone only when TT for linux will be
> available.
>
> bye,
> Andrea
>
> On 9/4/06, Franck huby <franck.huby@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Dear andrea,
>>
>> As a linux (free software) developper and a consumer of phone devices
> and services, I'm not sure than a phone need absolutetly to embend some
> software like Route66 or TomTom or some games to make it "a phone
> product".
>>
>> The greenphone is a partial sdk component for make implementation of
> development of software in a free software environment.
>>
>> If U want to see U're favorite applications in U're smartphone build the
> phone from the people who's deal the best distribution software that meet
> U're needs. Or make a fork of TomTom and distribute it under gpl .. Here
> U'll be happy to have greenphone for testing U're software ... Or do
> anything U want once U've understand than Greenphone is not a commercial
> smartphone and Qtopia is just a development language ......
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:44:53 +0200, "Andrea Bravetti"
> <andreabravetti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Dear Trolltech,
>> > we will never see on the European market a Linux based smartphone
>> > because of some basic functionalities lack, functionalities that at
>> > the moment are available only for Symbian.
>> >
>> > I'm speaking about Route66 and TomTom, and some game...
>> >
>> > Do you want to become a valid alternative to Symbian?
>> >
>> > If the answer is "Yes" then let's do all you can do to have Route66
>> > and TomTom for the greenphone available NOW, or your tecnology preview
>> > will become an "demostration of an unusably tecnology".
>> >
>> > sincerely,
>> > Andrea Bravetti
>> > GPRS Easy Connect Team
>> > http://www.gprsec.hu
>> >
>> > --
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>> > qtopia-interest-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> --
>> Huby Franck.
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Andrea Bravetti
> GPRS Easy Connect Team
> http://www.gprsec.hu
>
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Message 5 in thread
GPRS Easy Connect is a dialer application written in perl-GTK (may be
I will write a QT verison) that make possible to establish a GPRS
connection all around the world with one click, and is released under
the GPL, but i'm not speeking of it, it's another story (and sure, it
will work with the greenphone).
What's the point?
All I read on this forum is: "is for developer or is for end user?",
"how much it cost?", "when it will be released?", "it's really open?
may I run everything I wrote?", "but the GSM stack isn't open?", and
so on...
The end user doesn't care about all that stuff, they need TomTom,
Route66, a browser, some office viewer, a lot of games and some other
software.
So, Trolltech, what are you doing on this side?
Have you contacted TomTom, Route66, Opera and others?
Do you think that normal users can use gpsdrive instead of TomTom?
KSnakeRece instead of Snake 3D of the N70?
OpenOffice or KOffice instead of some fast and light office viewer?
NO. They will buy Symbian.
I will be very happy to see a real open smartphone based on Qtopia and
Linux, but if you want to attract investor and a lot of developer (not
few fanatic), even open or closed source, you must provide everything
your antagonist is providing now, and something more.
bye,
Andrea
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Message 6 in thread
Hi Andrea,
Andrea Bravetti wrote:
So, Trolltech, what are you doing on this side?
Have you contacted TomTom, Route66, Opera and others?
I am not a TrollTech employee, but I think you don't understand what the
greenphone is.
Qt and Qtopia are tool kits / a development environment, NOT a user killer
application.
TrollTech do not develop end user applications such as TomTom or any other
for that matter.
If I understand the intention behind the green phone, its trying to attract
DEVELOPERS not USERS, with the hope, that if a lot of developers will like
it, they will develop for it user end applications (and get used to it, and
will tell their bosses how great it is), be it as TomTom employees, or any
other, but they will do it with Qtopia, not even nesseseraly for the green
phone it self.
Cheers
Dani.
On 04/09/06, Andrea Bravetti <andreabravetti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> GPRS Easy Connect is a dialer application written in perl-GTK (may be
> I will write a QT verison) that make possible to establish a GPRS
> connection all around the world with one click, and is released under
> the GPL, but i'm not speeking of it, it's another story (and sure, it
> will work with the greenphone).
>
> What's the point?
>
> All I read on this forum is: "is for developer or is for end user?",
> "how much it cost?", "when it will be released?", "it's really open?
> may I run everything I wrote?", "but the GSM stack isn't open?", and
> so on...
>
> The end user doesn't care about all that stuff, they need TomTom,
> Route66, a browser, some office viewer, a lot of games and some other
> software.
>
> So, Trolltech, what are you doing on this side?
> Have you contacted TomTom, Route66, Opera and others?
>
> Do you think that normal users can use gpsdrive instead of TomTom?
> KSnakeRece instead of Snake 3D of the N70?
> OpenOffice or KOffice instead of some fast and light office viewer?
> NO. They will buy Symbian.
>
> I will be very happy to see a real open smartphone based on Qtopia and
> Linux, but if you want to attract investor and a lot of developer (not
> few fanatic), even open or closed source, you must provide everything
> your antagonist is providing now, and something more.
>
> bye,
> Andrea
>
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> To unsubscribe - send "unsubscribe" in the subject to
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>
>
Message 7 in thread
> What I tried to say is that Trolltech "must" create solid contacts
> with the software house that sell this software and make the software
Personally, I do not think so. This is the core responsibilty of TT (TomTom)
manufacturer to identify future-proof platforms. As at TrollTech, our company
also has "Creative Friday" where the management seeks and evaluates the
current streams of IT developement to find out the where the whole sector
goes to. If there is an emerging technology or device, we talk about whether
it is useful or not to reach our goals. The maker of TT should do the same.
Trolltech is here for a long time, Qt and Qtopia are well useable
developement framework. If the manufacturer of TT is not aware of this one,
if they did not realise and evaluated it till today, I personally think, they
are not the kind of company I would like to support nor buy anything from
them since they are ignorant for the world and fast paced technology. But
this is my personal belief. TT should make the effort to port the
application.
On the other hand, it was emphasized more than once, that GreenPhone is not
going to be a commercial product. It remains a developement device. After a
period of time when Qtopia gains a lot applications from these trying-outs,
its software and the developement-phone make up a package some big company
can make a commercial phone out of it. Like Motorola catches up and make
Motorola Motopia V3 or who knows.... but, again, Trolltech is not preparing
to sell 5 million devices. Just for some hundred or thousands (I do not have
the exact numbers, since I do not work for TrollTech - although I wish to do
so :) ).
So, my advice is that You should contact TomTom manufacturer to ask them to
port their application to Qtopia.
Mulder
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Message 8 in thread
Andrea,
you're "putting the cart before the horse". Trolltech is doing exactly
what's possible with the GreenPhone to encourage software makers to have
their software available for Qtopia.
I mean, why would anyone, anyway? The only way to persuade software
makers to port their software to a new platform is through the market
power of that platform, and this is done by making the platform as
convincing to phone makers as possible. No Qtopia phones - No software.
Not vice versa.
There is no need to prove that a particular software can be run on a
particular platform. If this platform is promising enough commercially,
tons of money are automatically available to make it work. What matters
more is if the whole product itself can be manufactured in a cost
efficient way. Believe it or not, the most interesting thing about the
GreenPhone is the "bill of materials", since this is what phone makers
are interested in: How much FLASH do I need, what CPU, how much RAM, etc.
I think you're falling into the "enthusiasts trap" here. In your
particular case it's navigation systems but I believe most of the people
who spoke up against the GreenPhone concept have their toy feature that
they believe will decide about success or loss in the market.
I believe the key features of a smartphone are:
* is a decent cell phone, i.e. can be operated quickly, switches on
instantly, does not crash in the middle of a call(!), has a long
standby time...
* has a camera.
* is able to synchronize my addressbook and datebook.
* is able to access my email
* can deal with MMC/SD memory cards.
I also truly believe that navigation in a phone is a "fringe group
feature". I know that you will disagree whole-heartedly, and we could go
on about this for ages, it doesn't really matter. The availability of a
certain software will not make the decision between using Symbian or
Qtopia. The decision will be made based on how expensive it is in terms
of manufacturing cost to support the basic feature set everybody expects
from a smartphone and nobody is willing to pay an extra dime for.
regards,
matthias
Andrea Bravetti wrote:
> I'm happy to have a so fast reply, it mean I have touched the mind of
> someone!
>
> What I tried to say is that Trolltech "must" create solid contacts
> with the software house that sell this software and make the software
> available for the architecture that they proposes (greenphone), not
> under the GPL, but also commercially, and not embedded, but as third
> party product.
>
> Someone can say that TomTom for Linux already exists (TT910), just it
> isn't released, and they will release it when you will sell 5 milion
> of Qtopia phone. This is a BIG mistake! The true is that you will sell
> 5 milion (I hope more!) of Qtopia phone only when TT for linux will be
> available.
>
> bye,
> Andrea
>
> On 9/4/06, Franck huby <franck.huby@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Dear andrea,
>>
>> As a linux (free software) developper and a consumer of phone devices
>> and services, I'm not sure than a phone need absolutetly to embend
>> some software like Route66 or TomTom or some games to make it "a
>> phone product".
>>
>> The greenphone is a partial sdk component for make implementation of
>> development of software in a free software environment.
>>
>> If U want to see U're favorite applications in U're smartphone build
>> the phone from the people who's deal the best distribution software
>> that meet U're needs. Or make a fork of TomTom and distribute it
>> under gpl .. Here U'll be happy to have greenphone for testing U're
>> software ... Or do anything U want once U've understand than
>> Greenphone is not a commercial smartphone and Qtopia is just a
>> development language ......
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:44:53 +0200, "Andrea Bravetti"
>> <andreabravetti@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Dear Trolltech,
>> > we will never see on the European market a Linux based smartphone
>> > because of some basic functionalities lack, functionalities that at
>> > the moment are available only for Symbian.
>> >
>> > I'm speaking about Route66 and TomTom, and some game...
>> >
>> > Do you want to become a valid alternative to Symbian?
>> >
>> > If the answer is "Yes" then let's do all you can do to have Route66
>> > and TomTom for the greenphone available NOW, or your tecnology preview
>> > will become an "demostration of an unusably tecnology".
>> >
>> > sincerely,
>> > Andrea Bravetti
>> > GPRS Easy Connect Team
>> > http://www.gprsec.hu
>> >
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe - send "unsubscribe" in the subject to
>> > qtopia-interest-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> --
>> Huby Franck.
>>
>> --
>> To unsubscribe - send "unsubscribe" in the subject to
>> qtopia-interest-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>
>
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Message 9 in thread
On Mon, Sep 04, 2006 at 03:34:16PM +0200, Matthias Welwarsky wrote:
> I believe the key features of a smartphone are:
one of the absolutely critical things is useability.
does anyone remember the first erikson gsm flip-top phone - the one with
a 120-pixel by 16-pixel lcd screen? god it was AWFUL.
completely user-hostile. with only two selection buttons, you had to
remember to go 'back' then 'forward' in order to get to the right menu:
totally counter-intuitive.
a lot of the phones you get these days are absolutely impossible, even
for an experienced computer user, to get to grips with.
(my absolute favourite phone _has_ to be the nokia 6310i for simple and
intuitive user-interface and useful features).
anyway.
a touchscreen _immediately_ makes a massive difference - but it only makes
a difference if you present information correctly to the user.
wince with the tiny icons, where you have to use your thumbnail to aim
accurately for the battery status line, miss, exit by again accurately
pressing the cross in the top right hand corner...
... it's just awful.
forget 'functional' - how about just... _useable_.
l.
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Message 10 in thread
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton schrieb:
> wince with the tiny icons, where you have to use your thumbnail to aim
> accurately for the battery status line, miss, exit by again accurately
> pressing the cross in the top right hand corner...
You're telling my experience with trying to find out battery status with
fingernail. :)
> ... it's just awful.
It's really awful! ^^'
cu Floh
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Message 11 in thread
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:42:00PM +0200, Florian Erfurth wrote:
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton schrieb:
> > wince with the tiny icons, where you have to use your thumbnail to aim
> > accurately for the battery status line, miss, exit by again accurately
> > pressing the cross in the top right hand corner...
> You're telling my experience with trying to find out battery status with
> fingernail. :)
>
> > ... it's just awful.
> It's really awful! ^^'
so :)
... in any linux mobile phone, who's maintaining the user-interface
list of 'Things To Avoid (tm)'?
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